From z-list-bounce@amphigory.com Mon Aug 30 10:34:15 1999 Received: from pwrtc.com (pwrtc.com [206.230.144.34]) by jovita.jovita.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13999 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:34:11 -0500 Received: from legba.pwrtc.com (postfix@legba.pwrtc.com [206.230.144.223]) by pwrtc.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02124; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from legba.pwrtc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by legba.pwrtc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277D5A4BE; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with LISTAR (v0.125a; list z-list); Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:40:29 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: z-list@amphigory.com Received: from jovita.jovita.net (jovita.jovita.net [209.150.128.146]) by legba.pwrtc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A55A4BD for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (fenwick@localhost) by jovita.jovita.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA13553 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:31:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:31:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Fenwick Rysen X-Sender: fenwick@jovita.jovita.net To: z-list@amphigory.com Subject: [z-list] Re: the 'eschaton' In-Reply-To: <19990827225718.86946.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 811 X-listar-version: Listar v0.125a Sender: z-list-bounce@amphigory.com Errors-To: z-list-bounce@amphigory.com X-original-sender: fenwick@chaosmatrix.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: z-list@amphigory.com X-list: z-list Status: RO X-Status: lo eskis i On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, doc Holliday wrote: > I hear tons of references to the 'eschaton' and its immenintization. I've > also heard that this immenintization has already occur. There tends to be some confusion over the word "immanentization". You see, most people assume it's the word "imminent" which means forthcoming or approaching. But the word is *immAnent*, which means all-pervasive, being everywhere all at once. The "eschaton" is typically taken to be "the end of the world as we know it", and this can be interpreted many ways. By the reasoning of most chaotes, the "immanentization of the eschaton" means that the eschaton is happening constantly; the world as we knew it dies and is reborn in every moment; things are constantly changing. See, there goes another eschaton. Opps, there goes another. Hey, look at that one go! Wait, I see another one coming! To immanentize the eschaton means (for me at least) to be aware of and part of the process of change in my environment. It means trying to immanentize the eschatons of the people around me, destroying the consensual belief structure and bringing on the end times. The eschaton already happened. The eschaton is approaching. The eschaton is the moment right now. > Do we speak of the supposed "Fifth Aeon" when we discuss the 'eschaton?' Fifth Aeon? Hail Eris! Did I miss the previous four? Who labelled them? What gave them the right? There are no Aeons; the only constant is change. Human evolution (biological, cultural, spiritual, etc.) is too interesting, varied, and strange to try to categorize into four (or any nhumber) of "Aeons". This Aeonic crap is bullshit made up by people who like to feel they are on the verge of something great----invaribaly, Aeonists always say that we are on the border of two Aeons, moving from the old into the new. Their proof is the radical changes taking place in the world. But here's the real kicker: The world is always undergoing radical change. Duh. > Did the 'eschaton' come and go, leaving me in the closet, or what? :-) No; Yes; Maybe. Try looking *in* your closet for the eschaton. I'm sure you'll find one there. In Life, Love, and Laughter ___ --Fenwick Rysen http://www.chaosmatrix.com o | Magic Code: MCH/PA S* W++(--) N$+++ PCE/NO/EC@ Ds/d/r+ A++ / a++ C$++++>+++++ G+++ QH++>----- 666++>-- Y+++ __|__. | ___ | "The only prevalent characteristic of chaotes is their / ability to confuse you beyond all hope of rescue." | ---Mathias Karlsson