From admin-z@chaosmatrix.com Fri Jan 28 02:55:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by jovita.jovita.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA31550 for zee-list-list; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 02:55:16 -0600 Received: from news1.bl.uk (news1.bl.uk [194.66.226.8]) by jovita.jovita.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA31546 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 02:55:14 -0600 Received: from mail.bl.uk (mail [194.66.228.57]) by news1.bl.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02812; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:55:14 GMT Received: from ccMail by mail.bl.uk (IMA Internet Exchange 3.13) id 000F0C50; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:57:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:53:38 +0000 Message-ID: <000F0C50.C21394@mail.bl.uk> From: Denise.Newson@mail.bl.uk (Denise Newson) Subject: [zee-list] Back to Basic Chaos To: "Andre Oides" , zee-list@chaosmatrix.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: admin-z@chaosmatrix.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: zee-list@chaosmatrix.com Status: RO X-Status: Have to throw this one in here, magic isn't just about belief, it is primarily about RESULTS. JDH ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [zee-list] Astral Tomes 2 Author: "Andre Oides" at Internet Date: 28/01/2000 06:19 Patrick Gavin wrote: >It's called "imagination" >Imagination. >Imagination. People have it. Even back then. Ok. Lots of imagination. I guess I have a lot of imagination too, because I can get out of my body and talk to spirits and entities and see strange astral landscapes, read astral tomes, talk to dead people... Oh, I think I can even remember some of my past lives... Well, this discussion of ours got to a point where we can't tell who is right or who is wrong. I believe that those guys got insights of other planes of existence. If you believe that it was just their imagination, what can I say? It's your belief. That's what magick is about isn't it? Belief? I believe in other planes of existence, I believe in faeries, I believe in spirits and ghosts, Santa Claus, vampires... So what? I believe in magic. Imagination plays a great role in all this, of course, but it's not everything. This is just what I believe. I'm not saying you're wrong. Of course you can be right, and I can be right as well, but we can't prove it. And I don't give a shit about proving anything and I'm not telling anyone to believe what I say. I'm just saying what I believe in. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com